(approved by the conservative party)

Poiters. MP for PN.

This bill is now open for debate.

Mr speaker, I belive this bill interferes with the work of the NIA and as such motion to withdraw it from the floor.

Could you elaborate more on how you think it messes with the NIA? I do not think it does, but I am opposed to this bill on grounds that investigations have to be made fully public.

Perhaps we could call the head of the NIA to the floor for his opinion?

Thank you Rt. Hon. Prime Minister, for this invitation to speak before our Imperial Parliament.

Mr. Speaker, thanks for the opportunity,

It is the belief of the Agency that this Bill interferes with our duties and might cause more trouble than benefits given it's nature.

As Director of Intelligence, I can assure you that the NIA has been conducting investigations in secret for about a year and has an IP address list of both known and potential terrorists.

In your everyday life in Alexandria you might or might not have seen spam attaks around our fora, if you ever noticed, those are immediately erased and the IP's registered in our database.

On most cases, if not all, those found guilty by the Agency have been banned from the Empire since no Judicial system was implemented, this can obviously can be improved now that our judicial system is fully functional.

We have no objection on the Bill if the words are appropiate, "the National Intelligence Agency on advise of His Majesty and/or the Director of Intelligence shall in secret investigate an individual and/or group of individuals that has threatened or is suspicious of activity that might harm the existance of the Empire in any form"

The Bill also mention "on advise of the Minsiter", we would assume this is about the Prime Minister, but laws can not be based on assumptions.

Another point we are not comletely satisfied is Art. VI:
"The Emperor, Prime Minister, Cabinet and Parliament must know of the ongoing investigations in order for them to be valid."

We believe that the Imperial Parliament and the Cabinet has the right NOT to know of our ongoing operations; we can however, disclose information if required everytime there is sufficient proof that this requirement is legitimate.

One good example is the information we share with the Ministry of Defense and the Marshalate, it is vital to have our intel coordinated in order to protect our Empire, we can also disclose information to the Ministry of Justice, if this is required in trial, or with the Ministry of Interior in case of citizenship applications.

These are just a few examples of what the Agency can do and is currently doing to protect our beloved Empire, based on this, we respectfully request either the withdrawal of the Bill or the resubmittal with the proper wording to avoid duplicity in our duties and general malfunction of His Majesty's Government.

Gentlemen, I yield the floor,

i dont see how the NIA does not fit into the "government" profile. is the NIA not an organ of the government? last time i checked the NIA was part of the government, it is run by the government.

wonrg assumptions may i add. when it refers to minister, it refers to the minster of justice, who is in charge of the justice ministry of alexandria. with his blessing per say, we can begin investigating, of course the bill would specify that it is the Emperor's or Prime Minister's call in the end.

so you are telling me that the Prime minister and even the EMPEROR have to be kept in the dark about this? are you aware that this is illegal inwchih case you could get charged for this? If not then i hope you do now. ok maybe im not geting your statements i give you the benefit of a doubt. say i get appointed to minister of the interior, you're telling me that the minister of interior is not even allowed to at least be AWARE that there is an ongoing investigation.

highness - what i mean by investigation, i mean that there could be a post in the council chamber saying "hey guys, making sure you are all aware that there is an ongoing investigation, on so and so open your ears to anything" not even a mild explanation of the situation? keep everyone else in the dark? i dont believe in that.

highness - with all due respect you are getting carried away. this investigation act was drafted to be simple because by making it simple it would be easily amendable in other words flexible. i would advise that his highness talk to either me or his imperial highness, the dauphin about this. we know what we're trying to achieve with this bill. with that being said, i do ask that we invite the heir to the throne our dauphin for the purpose of amending the bill and making an improved version.

Poiters. MP for SM.

Mr. Speaker, please excuse me for posting here once more, but I believe that His Grace deserves an answer.

Yes the Agency is obviously part of the His Majesty's Government, but it is not the "government" as a whole, you need to be specific when making laws.

You see? your bad wording drives to wrong assumptions, again you need to be very specific when making laws.

Your Grace, I clearly stated:
"We believe that the Imperial Parliament and the Cabinet has the right NOT to know of our ongoing operations"

I never, ever mentioned either His Majesty nor the Rt. Hon. Prime Minister, these two individuals can oversee all operations without any justiciation or specific cause.

You seem to read as bad as you write.

Simple is one thing, ambiguous is quite different, laws are not meant to be flexible, specially those that deals with our national security, and may I just add that there is never an overreaction when we deal with such delicate matters.

I appologize, this is my last post on this matter unless I am called by the Hon. Speaker of the Imperial Parliament, for more discussion I can be reached at my office.

Gentlemen, I yield the floor,

What you propose, your Highness, is an organization entirely immune to the laws and clauses put in place to protect the Alexandrian citizenry. What you defend, your Highness, it the right to unlawful search and seizure, and the withholding of information that which, under the Right to Information Act that was passed some time ago, is illegal as it is not a threat to the Emperor or the Empire to disclose investigation details to the Cabinet.

My pardons for intrusion, but as Minister of Justice I will not stand by and see the laws trampled on simply because an organization is an extension of the Sovereign.

STRIKEN FROM RECORD.

THE HOUSE WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

Mssr. Alexandre, your post in this chamber is inappropriate, only the NIA Director is eligible to post in this thread, since he was invited by a Member of Parliament (even then, that was supposed to be introduced as a motion and voted upon, but I let it pass because the testimony is necessary).

Your comments will be stricken from the records of Parliament. If you wish to make comments, please do so in Place du Marmion or somewhere else. Please respect the rules and regulations of this august body.

I wish to present an amended version of this Act:

I belive this solves the problem Mssr Speaker.

I too believe that the amendment proposed solves the issues in discussion. Good work, Mr. Speaker.

Sincerely,

I motion for a vote on teh amended version.

I second the motion for a vote

Motion recognized. The House will now divide.

Voting will last four days or until a majority has been reached.

Abstain.

OUI

OUI

And to conclude, I vote OUI as well.

This bill passes with 2 for, 1 absention and 0 against.