Title: Discussion table
AugustoBenavides - August 22, 2006 05:40 PM (GMT)
The discussion table is now open for the registered members only, the only exception will be Mr. Koen Nevens from Anthelia.
Please reffer all your comments and inqiuries here, any comment on this issues posted on other forum will be disregarded and deleted.
Registered members of the summit:
-HIH Prince Enrique Portela
-HRM August Charles II
-Sebastien Alexandre
-Augusto de Asunción y Benavides
-His Excellency Philip James
-Pete James
-HSM Nathan
-HRH Prince Paul I
-John P Darcy
-HIM Edgard II
gotzborg - August 22, 2006 09:38 PM (GMT)
Honoured Members,
In the interests of maintaining decorum and flow to this affair, I would like to nominate Minister Prince Augusto as Moderator/Facilitator of this affair. To go without a person on the helm wold guarantee this important and valuable communication tool lifeless.
The Moderator/Facilitator's role would be to guide these discussions to deal with an agenda, compile the points and reslutions (if any) reached here.
Sebastien Alexandre - August 22, 2006 09:39 PM (GMT)
I second His Majesty's motion.
darcyj - August 22, 2006 09:47 PM (GMT)
I have no objection to the nomination.
Pete James - August 22, 2006 09:49 PM (GMT)
AugustoBenavides - August 23, 2006 06:16 PM (GMT)
Thanks, I accept to moderate this discussion and to maintain order and decorum.
My opinions will not be posted until everyone has expressed their points.
May I ask His Royal Majesty Augustus Charles II for an opening statement on how to improve the current status of the society created under the Novasolum Convention.
Afterwards, we will post in the order we have been registered, obviously with the exception of my turn, which I cede to His Imperial Highness the Dauphin.
Gentlemen, I yield the floor
gotzborg - August 24, 2006 05:00 PM (GMT)
Thank you Your Highness,
Firstly let me thank all the delegates for taking the time to register for this Conference, it shows that no matter what, that everyone has a vested interest in these discussions. Without the basic willingness to come to the table to contribute and communicate issues, we would have no chance at success.
This conference originated as a result of some issues which recently came to light with regards to the perceived injustices of some Novasolum partners towards Alexandria. I for one was caught completely by suprise, as were the other nations, that such issues had been allowed to grow and fester without being properlly communicated and dealt with before becoming such irritants that they became catalysts to consideration for withdrawl from the Novasolum Treaty.
The Novasolum Treaty is definitely a first in micronationalism. There have been countless alliances, mergers, treaties and organizations in the past which have sought to bring nations together for one purpose or the other. Never before has our world seen the kinds of opportunity and success that the Novasolum Treaty holds. This opportunity however is not without work. At its very basic level, Novasolum will not work without communication between its partners. It is so vital that we have seen first hand now how much damage can be caused by its absence. Issues which may be considered minor over time become major reasons and issues which in turn are used to politically leverage change. This is simply not fair, not reasonable and not appropriate.
Novasolum was created for the benefit of all its signatories. It was created with an inherent equality among its members and with strong and serious consideration to avoiding the loss of sovereignty of any of its members. Indeed, the initial stumblign blocks I found when engaging Gotzborg's future partners was serious concern that Novasolum would remove the right of a nation to determine its own course. No signatory had or has any interest in merger, or restriction of any of its members. Novasolum did however set about guidelines for the communication between its members of issues which may or would affect the others.
We all make mistakes. This is not limited to Gotzborg, Anthelia, Alexandria or Natopia. As much as we would like at times to feel that we have been slighted, offended, treated badly or otherwise ignored, those feelings often come because of a lack of communication, interaction or response on our own part as much as any other.
Communication is a two-way street, as they say. Although I jokingly refer to my own lack of psychic abilities, the reference is important. I am personally unable to always appreciate or see what another nation may take as offense, or unfair treatment. Only with that communication can I in turn express my side, my understanding or my mistake. And admit my mistake I will if indeed that may be the case. These issues often come with confrontational or conflicting interaction. This is part of the communication circle. As one person who doesn't like to step into confrontation or conflict myself, I find I am always reluctant to express my upset in certain situations. I realise though, that I have an obligation to log my issues, at least for the public record.
Our mission here in this conference is two-fold. Firstly it is to discuss and settle past issues and put them to rest, in turn keeping Novasolum together. Secondly it is to further reinforce the communication and relationship between the member nations so that going forward, we have the tools and know the boundaries to communicate with one another and work together.
The benefits will, as they always have, be the increased prosperity and relationship between our nations without the loss of sovereignty or ability to choose our own courses of action.
Prince Augusto, I yield the floor. Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
AugustoBenavides - August 24, 2006 07:17 PM (GMT)
Thank you Your Majesty,
Now it's turn for Prince Enrique, Your Highness, your opening statement.
HIH Prince Enrique Portela - August 26, 2006 02:53 AM (GMT)
Thank you, Archduke. (I apologize for the late reply)
As an Alexandrian citizen for 4+ years now, It is my firm belief that Alexadria should stay in Novasolum.
The Empire of the Alexandrians when it first entered into negotiations regarding the Novasolan treaty was ver excited because the Novasolum treaty is one of its kind, very unique. In the past, we have seen micronations attempt to unite other nations in a common treaty a binding treaty. Micronations have, in the past, tried to form a united micronations kinda thing (themed after the U.N.) which Alexandria had taken part of. That soon collapsed, as it fell into inactivity, turning into what we have come to call a YAMO.
I am expressing my concern for Novasolum. There is a lack of communication between our nations which have lead us to multiple problems between different novasolan nations. I have tried, as the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Alexandria to help solve the problem, but i could never do it. Why? because, the problem is not up to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of one nation, but it is up to all Nations within Novasolum. We signed this treaty in union, and therefore to preserve that friendship, that union i have called this urgent summit.
This is a problem that always arises between micronations, and therefore rivalries are formed, and they dont tend to end in a happy ending, but often in bitterness and war. This is something, that I as a person do not tolerate. I rpefer to deal with things from its core, to deal with it and kill it at once from one blow. My belief was always firm about Novasolum, i always thought that Novasolum was created for nations to bring their "positives" and share those traits with the other nations and bind that way, not to bind in an "I am holier than you" way but in an accepting and caring yet uncompromising way. This is why i think that our member nations should resolve their problems with the other nations at once. Kill two birds with one shot as i call it.
Our continent has had a lack of communication, and that we must all accept, because it is true. The purpose of this summit is to fix that and to restore our friendship and calmity back to our great continent. I believe that together, we can destroy our problems before they get worse and are harder to deal with. I firmly stand by Novasolum believing that there is hope, hope for change. I believe that Novasolan nations can benefit from the treaty, we should be able to profit each one of our nations! Trade is a major way to do so, i have openly voiced my support for common currency within Novasolum. Our Police force has been developing, which we still need to appoint a leader, but believe it or not we can all benefit from Novasolum, it is vested in our hands as to how. I have worked hard for Novasolum, when Alexandria hosted the previous Conference in Geneva, Baudrix we resolved that we wanted to establish a common police force within Novasolum which i came up with, NovaPol. I have casted my own personal opinions into Novasolum and thats one of the main reasons why i wish for Alexandria and Natopia to remain in Novasolum.
With this said, i yield my time to the speaker.
respectfully,
AugustoBenavides - August 28, 2006 04:10 AM (GMT)
Thanks Your Imperial Highness,
Now, because of my mistake, the turn is for the Minister of Economics of the Empire of the Alexandrians, I appologize Your Excellency.
Sebastien Alexandre - August 29, 2006 01:05 AM (GMT)
PHP Economy, Dinarchy of Antica: Besides a good start with a largely used casino, a failure.
Red Britannia, commie style: A flop.
Imperial Republic of Shireroth, gift style: The Erb is worth nothing.
It has been shown time and time again that economies are not something you can code into a forum and work. It takes multinational effort and cooperation. Through the years in micronationalism I have seen project after project fall into decay. The last working economy I have ever heard of was checking the archives last year in Shireroth of one dStryker, who devoted so much of his time to it that I believe he quit micronations altogether.
The burden of an economy must stop falling on the shoulders of one- and Novasolum can do that. Five nations, five Ministers, five economies. Seperate, but united.
We must keep up the cooperation and communication of the Novasolum Economic Community - I have noticed as of late that Post and Bulletin issues scheduled to come out August ~4-10, have yet to begin the "shipping process".
It is the job of all of us to unite to finally, achieve that spot in history as the only working micronational economy.
That's all I have to say.
Mr. Speaker, I yield the floor.
AugustoBenavides - August 29, 2006 01:17 PM (GMT)
Thanks Your Excellency, now the floor is to His Excellency Philip James of Paulovia.
Ambassador - August 30, 2006 07:16 PM (GMT)
Your Imperial Highness, Princes, Ministers and gentlemen
It is an honour for Paulovia to be at this table with such able national representatives and respected nations.
We all seem to agree that Novasolum as a continent and as a Treaty of sovereign nations with unified goals of propsperity, peace and security, is worth preserving and making stronger. It appears that irregular communications between Treaty partners is the nub of the problem here. This maledy has grown out of all proportion to the remedy required. Sadly, the symptoms of the problem have been misused by extreme elements in an attempt to undermine the Novasolum group.
Paulovia accepts it has not been as proactive in communicating with its partners as it should have, but please remember we were the junior partner with the ink barely dry on the Treaty at the time. As such we did not seek to force our will upon our partners out of respect. We now see this inaction has been misunderstood and regret the consequences of this episode.
For the future we seek to improve the channels of communication between our nations to avoid such misunderstandings. Perhaps a monthly Foreign Ministers meeting could be considered and hosted in a different Novasolum nation each time.
Finally, Paulovia commends the previous Alexandrian speakers and we take heart that the Novasolum ethos still beats within the Alexandrian breast. We applaud the Alexandrian initiative in calling this conference and fraternally request the Alexandrian government remains committed to the Novasolum Treaty.
Thank you. I yield the floor.
AugustoBenavides - August 30, 2006 07:53 PM (GMT)
Thanks Your Excellency, the floor now is for His Grace the Duke of Franciscania, Speaker of our Parliament, and Deputy Prime Minister Peter James.
Pete James - August 30, 2006 08:15 PM (GMT)
Thank you, Your Highness,
Gentlemen, I must confess that in my humble opinion Novasolan has failed. It is for this reason I voted in favor of Alexandria leaving the treaty. I did however state that I would be all for reform. That is somthing I hope we will reach in this summit.
I have not been here long and so most of my experiance is made up of missunderstandings and conflict from within teh treaty. What has struck me most about the Novasolan community is its lack of structure. Currently what I see is five nations trying to use the treaty to further their own agenda. For this treaty to succed we need three things - structure, a common agenda and most of all, communication. As you are al aware because of the lack of communication our numbers are now four. Unfortunatly I am short on time just now, however let me make one final point. I suggest we look the the EU and adopt a rotating presidency in addition to holding regular meetings. I would also suggest each nation appoint a permanent ambassidor to Novasolan/ Minister of Novasolan Affairs. Unfortunatly I now must leave.
I yield the floor
AugustoBenavides - August 30, 2006 09:00 PM (GMT)
Thanks Your Grace, the floor is now for His Sovereign Majesty, Nathan the Only,
Sovereign Natopian Emperor.
HSE Nathan - August 31, 2006 04:57 AM (GMT)
Thank you,
Tempers have indeed cooled in Natopia regarding our feelings toward Novasolum, however that does not change our opinions. We have voted to leave the Treaty effective September 20th and intend to do so. Regardless of the Novasolum Treaty we are entirely prepared to continue our close relationships with Gotzborg and Alexandria.
Duke Pete and Prince Enrique are exactly right in their assessements of the dismal lack of communication and this lack of effective communication is the catalyst for Natopia's withdrawl as I've stated previously and will not get into at this summit.
I don't believe I have anything else to say at this summit, but I thank Prince Enrique and Prince Augusto for their efforts to maintain peace and stability, even if Natopia will not be a participant in Novasolum.
I yield, Your Highness...
AugustoBenavides - August 31, 2006 01:41 PM (GMT)
Thanks Your Majesty, the turn should go to His Royal Highness Prince Paul I of Paulovia, but due to some difficulties he has decided not to be taking part of this summit anymore, therefore the floor is for the President of the Republic of Anthelia, John P. Darcy.
darcyj - September 2, 2006 04:11 AM (GMT)
Thank you, Mr Chairman.
Forgive me for starting on a negative note, but the problem with a conference like this is that everyone has come to the table with a different concept of the problem and the state of the world. It's like a Rorschach ink blot - we are all seeing what we choose to see, and not necessarily what is really there.
The Republic of Anthelia is moderately concerned at the heightened feelings which have been expressed in recent weeks, but it is our feeling that these things wil be overcome in the general sense. There are specifics to be dealt with, and a number of pertinent matters have been raised by previous speakers. Before proceeding, I would like to address some of these.
King August Charles of Gotzborg noted the lack of effective communication between nations. Nothing could be more accurate, or more pertinent. Each of our nations has claimed its place in the world (not merely the micronational world) and we have enacted constitutions and laws and we expect to be regarded as serious institutions - and yet not one micronation has truly mastered the field of
diplomacy. Where are our ambassadors? What are our protocols for exchange between diplomats and governments? From time to time I see persons arriving in the Anthelian forums to say "I am the official representative of X-land" and yet we never hear from them again. So my first observation is that our mutual foreign relations have been ever prone to misunderstanding and failure because we do not have effective systems in place for those things.
Prince Enrique also mentions communication, as well as co-operation and exchange between our nations on several fronts such as trade and policing. With respect, I feel HIH has misunderstood the concept of Novapol, which is not a police force but a common registry of criminality and has obviously had no activity because there have been no criminal convictions in any signatory nation. Novapol exists to co-ordinate the activity of national police forces, and not to function as a police force of its own. However this is not a serious matter at present, but merely serves to illustrate the Rorschach effect I mentioned earlier. Do similar misunderstandings exist concerning the Novasolum Treaty? - after all, there is no supranational organisation of "Novasolum", there is no UN or other body of Novasolum. There is a treaty of mutual safety and liberty, intended to foster open exchange and interaction between our nations, but the treaty itself does not make these things happen.
Minister Sebastien Alxandre spoke of the economy, and although he speaks negatively it is worth noting that even in his message is the evidence that Novasolum has the only working economy in the micronational world. The free market is not as vibrant nor efficient as it could be, a victim (as always) of the small number of people involved, but His Excellency's point is clear and I can but echo it: We must have close co-operation in our small cross-national market in order to see the achievements of the past grow into something even more. I will return to this point.
Deputy First Minister Philip James, and Deputy Prime Minister Pete James, both lamented the failure of communication and the latter suggested a more active central organisation. This is an idea that has some merit and, again, I will return to this point.
I cannot pretend to be distressed about Natopia's departure from the Novasolan community. Ever and anon has Natopia been a micronation apart from the rest of us, and time after time we in Anthelia have found ourselves questioning the validity of Natopian actions and ideas. However, this has
not stopped Anthelia from standing by its obligations under the Novasolum Treaty as those obligations foremrly stood - consider
this episode, a dispute between Natopia and the Kingdom of Lovely, at which time the Republic of Anthelia was the
first Novasolum nation to place on the record its intention to support Natopia if Natopia was attacked (see the 13th message in the thread).
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| Given that the Kingdom of Lovely has threatened to wage war against Natopia, I will, on behalf of the Republic of Anthelia, consult with the government of the Kingdom of Gotzborg and the Empire of Alexandria, in order to take a common position on the matter, a common position which may involve full and unconditional support and assistance (in any way possible) to the Sovereign Empire of Natopia. |
In due course, there was no further action taken. Nevertheless, it is timely to raise this matter as an illustration of Natopia's incapacity for proper foreign relations - the expressions of the Natopian government in the past month have suggested that nothing ever came their way from the Novasolum Treaty. The memory of a government should be longer than 9 months.
Allow me to review the background of the Novasolum Treaty. It is unfortunate that the EzBoard Disaster of 31 May 2005 has erased some of the records, but it will be recalled that in early 2005 the Kingdom of Gotzborg was given a place on the Micronational Cartography Society map ("Micras"). Anthelia was in its first-year hibernation at that time, but when my esteemed friend Mr Nevens looked for Anthelia's earlier Micras territory in April 2005 he found that our land had been given to Gotzborg. That the brief dispute between Anthelia and Gotzborg over this land was resolved shortly and amicably reflects great credit on both of our nations. Anthelia took up a different, neighbouring, land allocation on Micras and we began to take an interest in our geographical neighbours - Gotzborg, Natopia, Lavalon, Rio Grande, and Alexandria (a colony of which neighboured Gotzborg). A continental conference was organised by Anthelia to develop a treaty which would foster and stimulate interaction between us all. At the same time, I myself led a project to develop the simulated geography of the MCS land which we shared, and the continental name "Novasolum" emerged from that project.
So to summarise, the Novasolum Treaty was developed out of a common agreement that our nations, made into neighbours by the MCS map, should act as neighbours. The map was our starting point. This is important.
Over time, the MCS has failed us in various ways. A new organisation with improved sturcture, method and design was launched just recently. The GSO world is called "Giess" and all the Novasolum nations except Natopia were involved in the formation and execution of the GSO. The launch of the GSO has been the trigger for Natopia's actions in respect of the Novasolum Treaty, whatever other issues are thrown up as a cloud of dust around it, because Natopia felt slighted at being left out of the GSO plans. I will state now, for the record, that the absence of Natopia from the planning process was in no way an effort to exclude Natopia altogether - even the most casual glance at the new Novasolum on the map of Giess will show that a place was reserved for Natopia, but Natopia's response to the matter has cast doubts on their capacity to take up a place in the same world as us. The nations of the GSO have signed a contract binding them to adopt broadly similar themes and scenarios so that their common simulated world will be realistic and not mired in fantasy. Natopia is an outrider amongst Novasolum nations in that area. It's spaceships are not part of our world.
I would talk at this point about the nonsensicality of having duplicated territory, cities and activity on Giess and Micras at the same time, but that discussion would distract us unduly.
Which brings us to the present. Anthelia, Gotzborg, Alexandria and Paulovia, neighbours on the Giess continent of Novasolum. It is time for a new beginning for the region, and hence a new Novasolum Treaty is probably needed.
If we are to move forward, and avoid some of the misunderstandings of the past, then a new regional association based on a treaty should probably include a summit body of some kind. A forum of Foreign Ministers has been suggested, but I think a permanent Novasolum Treaty Organisation Council is the way to go. This Council would consist of permanent ambassadors - just as real world nations send ambassadors and not Ministers to the UN - and the Council would select its own General Secretary. Every matter involving more than two member nations would be referred to the NTOC, as well as bilateral disputes involving any two members who are unable to reach agreement. The NTOC would also be charged with the responsibility of fostsering cooperation and coordination between the member nations in any conceivable way, and the most obvious thing for it to do first would be to establish a united currency zone.
It is also conceivable that more nations may be founded on Novasolum - I believe there may be a new nation forming to the west of Anthelia even now - and a close neighbour like Lemuria may be a cnadidate for inclusion as well. The NTOC should deal with those issues.
The NTOC would take its seat in Gotzborg, the nation which (I am sure we all agree) is best suited to host a body of that kind. Each member nation would be expected to legislate for the establishment of the NTOC. But the NTOC would not have any authority to make laws binding on any member nations, and I emphasise that point for the benefit of those who have accused Anthelia of trying to leverage some sort of hegemony through Novasolum institutions and agreements. Each nation, even with a NTOC meeting in Gotzborg, must retain its full identity and sovereignty.
The bottom line is that we can talk in conference like this for weeks and months, but the underlying problem - communication and absent mechanisms for dispute resolution - will keep coming up unless our regional cooperative agreements are overseen by a permanent peak body.
Mr Chairman, I yield.
AugustoBenavides - September 5, 2006 12:20 AM (GMT)
Many thanks Mr. President, let's now yield the floor to His Imperial Majesty Edgard II, Emperor of the Alexandrians.
Emperor Edgard II - September 8, 2006 03:48 PM (GMT)
Thank you, Your Grace. You have been doing a fine job moderating the Conference. You certainly do make me and the rest of Alexandria very proud.
Despite coming late, I would like to welcome each of the delegates to the Empire and to our wonderful capital of Geneva. I am glad that we have gathered here as equals to bring forth our concerns and questions regarding the Novasolum Pact. Thank you all for coming here and for participating of this Summit.
The concerns that Alexandria has brought to the table are already well-known to every delegate right now. A slight majority of our citizens oppose Novasolum(
according to a poll recently published) and they have voiced concerns privately to me though private messages, instant messaging conversations and other ways. Most of them see Novasolum as a "den of anti-Alexandrianism" as one of them said in a private message. This person quoted the chaos of the failed peace conference between Lovely and Alexandria as evidence of such. Others continued to quote several other incidents, such as a percieved general Novasolan ignorance of the issues Alexandria was facing in the Circum-Raynor War and a percieved endorsement from Anthelia and Paulovia of Lovely's spying on Alexandria.
However, so far, we can see that all of these concerns have been brought forth and settled - because in witnessing the collapse of our Pact, we gathered here to discuss and comunicate. Had this been done before and at the time certain events occurred, we would probably have avoided these confrontations and gathering of discontent.
There is one point that I would like to bring home however. It is incredibly sad for me to see how the rest of the members of Novasolum seem to harshly criticize Natopia for its futuristic elements and because it was not deeply involved in the Pact. It saddens and infuriates me a great deal to see a close friend and a common ally be so harshly looked down upon. In the Geneva Conference in November of last year that resulted in the creation of Novapol, I witnessed an actively involved Natopia - a Natopia interested in further developing Novapol as well as other proposals that were made and never came to light such as the Geosciences Union. The activity of Natopia in earlier conferences is ignored and trashed. Alexandria, to my knowledge, apart from hosting and participating in the Novapol Convention held last year in Geneva, has not been actively involved in Novasolum. I do not recall any activity to participate in regarding Novasolum since the Novapol Convention. In the matter of technological levels, Alexandria is a micronation that has elements from Napoleonic and Ancien Regime France and certain Spanish elements as well. However, our military is modern and we do not follow the same guidelines as Gotzborg and the rest of Novasolum follows of WWI technology. Will Alexandria be cast out and ignored, like Natopia, for choosing modern conventional warfare? Will Alexandria be looked down upon because we have chosen to identify ourselves with a style that is not endorsed by everyone else? That's a pressing concern I would like to throw out there to be considered. Alexandria is not changing. The military is designed precisely to use modern warfare technology. In regards to the matter of technology levels and such, I see that Novasolum is directly attacking Alexandria's national sovereignty bgy attempting to enforce unifomity. As a nation, we have the right to choose and to discern what is the specific technological level we are at. We chose modern from the start, because it is what we know best - even before we joined Novasolum.
I agree with His Majesty the King of Gotzborg in that Novasolum lacks the proper structure for effective communication. I echo the proposals of President Darcy for the creation of a Novasolum Treaty Organisation Council. This would further improve communication between our nations and it can be a body for futher development of our Pact, which I feel is largely underdeveloped. A specific body that deals largely with concerns amongst the Novasolan nations and that further enhances communication between them will bring nothing but good to the Pact.
However, I also believe that the Pact should work to further foster friendship between the nations belonging to it through different measures. I believe it would be a good idea if we could hold a yearly "Novasolan Cup" competition - something like the Olympics in real life, but extending only to members of Novasolum. This would foster friendly competition and a general atmosphere of fun that can reinvigorate friendships and broken ties. Plus, just imagine... it can also promote national unity within our nations as well - you will find citizens rooting for their national teams and athletes, developing more of our national cultures. If we continue to further develop the benefits and "perks" of being in a pact like Novasolum, we will be able to strengthen the alliance and attract more nations to join it.
I am running out of time, I'm at work right now and my lunch break is ending. So, I shall leave it at that. Hopefully, further down in the Summit, I will be able to speak more and without such RL interruptions. :P
Thank you all, and I yield, Mr. Chairman.
AugustoBenavides - September 8, 2006 07:40 PM (GMT)
Many thanks Your Majesty.
Now in the light of a new perspective given by the enlightment of all our comments, we can work closer and define better communication channels to avoid unpleasant situations like the ones we have now left behind.
I am sure that a monthly conference is a wonderful idea to keep us all involved in common affairs, this can be held in different cities of the Novasolum countries each month to avoid any misunderstanding, we can have discuss different topics such as sports, security issues, joint defense and contingency plans, commercial and industrial related topics, to mention s few.
If I am correct, the current Ministers of Foreign Affairs or persons in charge of handling the diplomatic agenda for the Novasolum partners are:
Anthelia: President John P. Darcy
Gotzborg: Her Highness, Princess Julia
Natopia: His Majesty Nathan of Natopia
Paulovia:His Excellency, Philip James
And myself for the Empire of the Alexandrians.
I propose the city of Eber, Kendal in Gotzborg to meet with the above mentioned on October 2nd; then it will be Princess Julia's decision on where the next conference will be held.
If anyone has something to share, feel free to continue on this thread.
Ambassador - September 9, 2006 06:17 AM (GMT)
Minister Benavides
I would like to raise a point of order before this conference is closed.
Can His Imperial Majesty Nathan of Natopia confirm that Natopia has already enacted a law and formally withdrawn from the Novasolum Treaty on or around the 20 August?
Sebastien Alexandre - September 9, 2006 03:04 PM (GMT)
We spend over a week nailing out what needs to be fixed, but don't fix it?
What, monsieurs, was the point of this Conference then? To get it out in the open what we felt?
HIH Prince Enrique Portela - September 9, 2006 06:16 PM (GMT)
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Now in the light of a new perspective given by the enlightment of all our comments, we can work closer and define better communication channels to avoid unpleasant situations like the ones we have now left behind.
I am sure that a monthly conference is a wonderful idea to keep us all involved in common affairs, this can be held in different cities of the Novasolum countries each month to avoid any misunderstanding, we can have discuss different topics such as sports, security issues, joint defense and contingency plans, commercial and industrial related topics, to mention s few. |
I think we accomplished something, dont look at it as a negative ;)
respectfully,
HSE Nathan - September 9, 2006 08:31 PM (GMT)
Natopia enacted a Resolution to withdraw from the Treaty on August 20. However, the text of the Treaty itself says that our Resolution will not take effect until September 20. We stick by this Resolution and will be leaving Novasolum, so don't worry about having to deal with us anymore. My friend Prince Enrique invited me to this conference after knowing of the Natopian Resolution and me telling him we were not interested in staying in Novasolum, however I agreed to come to make a final statement on the subject and make clear there is no animosity between Natopia and it's friends - Gotzborg and Alexandria. You'll notice my comments were limited and restrained so that we would not cause further insult to those here who are so disgusted by my nation and its people.
Sebastien Alexandre - September 9, 2006 11:06 PM (GMT)
No one is disgusted by Natopia, infact, I highly respect you and the majority of Natopians in the utmost regard - and I believe that is a severe lack of communication that has ended in tragedy.
HSE Nathan - September 9, 2006 11:27 PM (GMT)
I certainly did not mean anyone in Alexandria (nor Paulovia, as I realize my comment may seem directed at Ambassador James as it was in response to his question). Aside from that clarification I believe this will be my last comment in this conference as Natopia has no need to be here now that we said what we wanted to say.
Ambassador - September 10, 2006 05:33 AM (GMT)
Your Imperial Majesty,
Thank you for your confirmation to my question.
Paulovia admires the manner in which Natopia has carried itself at this summit and wishes the Emperor and the people of Natopia well in its future endeavours.
AugustoBenavides - September 11, 2006 01:40 PM (GMT)
If there is nothing we can possibly do to change His Majesty's opinion and keep Natopia within the Treaty, then I regret to find that this summit has failed in someway, I believe that it has helped the Alexandrians to evaluate the importance of this society and changed opinions towards this, but sadly it has not done the same for the natopians.
Emperor Edgard II - September 11, 2006 06:02 PM (GMT)
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We spend over a week nailing out what needs to be fixed, but don't fix it?
What, monsieurs, was the point of this Conference then? To get it out in the open what we felt? |
I agree. I think it would be beneficial if we could draft the results of this conference into a common resolution by Novasolan nations, a document that would be endorsed by the Ministers of Foreign Affairs and the Heads of State for Novasolan nations implementing these ideas fully. If we're talking about it, why not act on it now as well?
AugustoBenavides - September 11, 2006 06:14 PM (GMT)
I propose that in the same orderly manner we have exposed our thoughts and feelings regarding the Conference, we should now add ideas to prepare the Novasolum Protocol.
Ambassador - September 27, 2006 04:56 PM (GMT)
Archduke
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| I think it would be beneficial if we could draft the results of this conference into a common resolution |
As His Imperial Majesty has called for a resolution prior to closing this summit, may I call upon our gracious Alexandrian hosts to propose a suitable document for a discussion.
AugustoBenavides - September 28, 2006 07:28 PM (GMT)
Your Excellency, that is exactly what I was planning to call the Novasolum Protocol.
Before we even draft this document, any other comment and/or suggestion to include in such would be grealty appreciated.
Ambassador - September 29, 2006 10:05 PM (GMT)
Archduke
I believe it is customary for the host nation to submit a document for initial discussion. However, we suggest the 'protocol' be simply a brief statement underlining the committment of the treaty partners to improve diplomatic communication, fore warn one another of actions to avoid misunderstandings, and perhaps propose an annual treaty conference to amend, add or discuss points or difficulties encountered with the treaty.
Ambassador - October 8, 2006 12:50 PM (GMT)
Gentlemen
Given the latest development in Anthelia in regard to their possible annexation, I propose this conference be closed and re-convened at such time the future of the Republic has been settled.
The delegation for Paulovia wishes to thank the Alexandrians for their courtesy and hospitality, and we look forward to meeting again very soon.
Mr Chairman, by your leave...
* Paulovia delegation exits conference *
HIH Prince Enrique Portela - October 10, 2006 11:37 AM (GMT)
Gentlemen,
I'd like to second the motion.