Title: VOTE : Military Action
Fabiola Douay - December 8, 2005 02:41 PM (GMT)
Mr Speaker,
I put it to this Parliament that all declarations of war should first be debated in Parliament and subjected to a vote. I therefore call that all military action be ceased in Oritania until this Parliament has approved it. Therefore, I put to the vote that all military operations be stopped until this chamber approves military action.
Matthieu Poiters - December 8, 2005 03:07 PM (GMT)
Madame Citoyen -
it is with great esteem that i tell you that the constitution does not state anything regarding Parliament doing this. Perhaps i might be wrong,( and if so, please show)
i am strongly opposed to this "mambo jambo".
PM. Poiters. Serving Alexandria.
Fabiola Douay - December 8, 2005 03:11 PM (GMT)
Mr Speaker,
Does the Prime Minister therefore believe that the decision to take this country to war should be left with him alone? Or with the Emperor alone?
This war is simply a lust for land and we have nothing to gain from it. The declaration of war should have been passed by this Parliament as representatives of the people.
This 'mambo-jumbo' as the Prime Minister calls it is exactly what I expected him to call a serious issue such as war. It seems he cares more for guns than he does for the consent of the people. The constitution does not say anything about informing Parliament in which case it should. I repeat my call that military action be stopped immediately by a vote of this House.
Matthieu Poiters - December 8, 2005 03:38 PM (GMT)
-Madame Citoyen-
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| It seems he cares more for guns than he does for the consent of the people. |
yes sure i dont care about the people (I do) Thats why we're liberating Alexandrians from otanian oppression.
there are Alexandrians in Ortania that are opressed by an inactive government. Madame to give you advise you should really think before you speak. Madame another thing - I hold everyone in high esteem and respect them you should too.
PM.Poiters. Serving Alexandria.
Fabiola Douay - December 8, 2005 04:23 PM (GMT)
Mr Speaker,
Would the Prime Minister like to tell this Parliament why Oritania has never been mentioned before nor any negotiations attempted? Why are Alexandrians being oppressed there? Can the Prime Minister provide us with any proof or is this war a simple excercise in experimenting with the military?
AugustoBenavides - December 8, 2005 04:43 PM (GMT)
Madame,
With all due respect, the Prime Minister was democratically elected and we should respect and support his decisions, that is why people elected him as his leader.
Moreover he and His Catholic Majesty are the consitutional leaders of Alexandria and the Parliament shall gave them enough power to accomplish all tasks instead of restrict this power.
Bottom line, I will remain loyal to His Majesty's decision and will remain in state of war until further orders from His Majesty himself.
Fabiola Douay - December 8, 2005 04:49 PM (GMT)
Mr Speaker,
The Prime Minister was democratically elected. That does not mean that he rules absolute and nor does the Emperor. They may be the constitutional figure heads of this country but it is the people who actually do the work. It is ordinary men who are out fighting in the fields of Oritania - not the Prime Minister or the Emperor.
They may have the authority to declare war but in my mind this is wrong. War is something that will have an impact on us all. The people may have elected the Prime Minister but they have also elected this Parliament and the Prime Minister should work with us, not off his own bat.
It is time to re-assess the constitution on the matters of War. This war is a military operation to gain land and land only. No concern has been shown for the Alexandrians in Oritania before - why is it an issue now?
AugustoBenavides - December 8, 2005 05:35 PM (GMT)
First of all, I want to ask if I am permitted to speak in here, if not then I appologize and as soon as I get notified I will stop doing it.
If no objection I wish to remind that we are an Empire and we are imperialistic, gaining more land is not to be condemned in here, we have provinces and a colony, actually madame Douay we both are from Asunción a land acquired by the Empire by military action, the Alexandrians annexed the old San Martin island on the Altamira intervention. So why is now a problem to use the military to get more land, the fine men and women that serve in our Imperial Armed Forces are happy and willing to enter into combat engagement to expand our glorious Empire, now we have alexandrians brothers suffering under the ortanian regime, that is what I have been told by the Emperor and no proof is required as I have no reason to doubt on his word.
May I remind you all that our allegiance shall be to the Empire and His Catholic Majesty, the Emperor Edgard II.
I yield the floor,
Fabiola Douay - December 8, 2005 10:21 PM (GMT)
Mr Speaker,
Loyalty to the Emperor will not put food on the table. It will not feed the poor. It will not heal the sick. The money that is being wasted on this war is an outrage - I am well aware that we an Empire - but country labels and high office has obviously clouded Mr Benavides.
We have a right to be told the exact reason why military action has been taken and we should have been informed before that military action was taken. The Emperor rules with Parliament - maybe it is time His Majesty was reminded of that.
Jean Michel Leclerc - December 9, 2005 11:57 AM (GMT)
I would like to state my support for greater parliamentary discussion over going to war.
Thankyou,
AugustoBenavides - December 9, 2005 04:57 PM (GMT)
Health and poverty is not a problem in the Empire, it has never been an issue before this military action and I see no money from any of those two budgets assigned to the military.
Now by expansion, we as an Empire will collect more taxes to build more hospitals, establish better healtcare and social development programs, and will increase our workfoce as well, meaning more jobs and more cooperation between the provinces and colonies.
And once you mention it, my loyalty to the Emperor goes beyond my need for food; and my need for health is only to be capable to fulfill my duties at His Catholic Majesty's service, and I am sure that all our fine men in the Imperial Armed Forces feels the same, that is why they're serving this Great Empire, and you all should respect that.
One more thing, it has come to my attention that sometimes, even without my will, I have become a little bit rude on my statements, I appologize if I ever offended you in any way, it was never my intention, but I will always preffer a "rude truth rather than a kind lie".
I yield the floor,
Jean Michel Leclerc - December 9, 2005 10:33 PM (GMT)
The question then has to be asked "why take on more liabilities when we would have to spend more on them?". Additionally we have enough trouble keeping the main parts of this country active - why overstretch ourselves at this point in time?
AugustoBenavides - December 10, 2005 01:00 AM (GMT)
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| why take on more liabilities when we would have to spend more on them? |
Maybe because they will eventually help on their own spendings, under our protection and making our culture richer and helping us to expand our already diverse culture.
I have been protecting our point of view until now, but one question I have now:
What is really the problem on expanding our Great Empire?
-Sacrifices?
You are not taken into the battlefield against your will, everyone of us in the Armed Forces are there voluntarily.
-Money?
The luxurious and pompous sessions and buildings of the Parliament might even cost more than the war itself.
-Activity?
The greater we become, the more atractive for new citizens we will be.
In all aspects that is, a glorious, effective and active military is way more attractive to new recruits.
The more choices to establish yourself, will turn into more citizens.
And when the image of the Alexandrians shows the loyal we are to our Sovereign, the image of a stable nation to the eyes of the rest we will have.
Or is it perhaps that you are making this much noise just to justify your seat in this Parliament and the expenses in which this institution falls?
Once again, what is the real issue?
Claude Peterson - December 11, 2005 05:07 AM (GMT)
Matthieu Poiters - December 12, 2005 03:32 PM (GMT)
citoyen:
MY VOTE: TO CONTINUE MILITARY ACTION, OUI.
PM.Poiters. Serving Alexandria.
Jean Michel Leclerc - December 16, 2005 11:26 AM (GMT)
NON - Goverment should be consulted first.
Fabiola Douay - December 16, 2005 11:09 PM (GMT)
NON
This Parliament must be consulted.
Jacques Gordon - December 18, 2005 04:47 AM (GMT)
Claude Peterson - December 18, 2005 04:52 AM (GMT)
As it is a tie I vote YES therefore I deem this: Passed
Fabiola Douay - December 18, 2005 02:45 PM (GMT)
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!
The Speaker must not be allowed to sway such an important vote. I demand that the Speaker be dismissed and open an immediate vote on this issue. The Speaker must forfeit his vote or step down.
I put it to an immediate vote;
OUI
UAI Advocate - December 19, 2005 12:11 AM (GMT)
You cannot call for someone's dismissal merely because they dont agree with you. Had he voted your way, would you be calling it an Outrage? Likely not. The vote didn't go your way this time. Yes it sucks, but that's how legislation goes. You wont always get what you want. :(
Fabiola Douay - December 19, 2005 12:22 AM (GMT)
My anger is nothing to do with the Speaker voting 'oui' or 'non' but the fact that he has a vote at all. It's unfair and undemocratic and must be rectified.
Claude Peterson - December 19, 2005 01:45 AM (GMT)
Ms. Douay, you have been warned. The Speaker only votes in the event of a tie, I am like you an elected member with my own platform, I was selected to be speaker based on my judgement and work with others. You may not question the speaker's ability on a decision, it is unconstitutional.
HIH Prince Enrique Portela - December 19, 2005 12:18 PM (GMT)
Why is it undemocratic? What the heck would you have him do? Stand there with a tie and do nothing. This is CONSTITUTIONAL!. He is doing what he must according to the constitution. (sorry, to the speaker who had closed the topic and still i responded. ;) )
respectfully,