Honourable participants,

First of all, let me thank the Alexandrian government for organising this second Novasolan conference. As you all know the first conference, held in my own country, Anthelia, lead to the signing of the Novasolum Treaty. I am convinced that this second conference will be as much of a succes as the first one.

Secondly, to get things started, I would - as minister of Justice of the Republic of Anthelia - like to propose that all participating work on a Treaty creating a Continental Registry of Criminal Convictions.

Such a treaty perfectly fits within the scope of the Novasolum Treaty, which provides that the signatory nations shall strive to cooperate in judicial and policing matters.

Having a continental registry of criminal convictions, id est one database accessible by the police and prosecution services of all Novasolan nations, will certainly benefit all those nations.

We all know that in micronationalism persons tend to "travel" and change their micronational citizenship quite often, or even adopt multiple citizenships when allowed. Even more often micronationalists visit the forums of micronations other than their micronation of nationality.

Multiple citizenship or forum "hopping" increases the chance that a person commits criminal offences 'abroad'. What is more, given the recurring changes of citizenship, a micronation might be confronted with applicants who have a criminal history in other micronations, a history that might however not be revealed to the authorities.

Therefore, having a continental registy would benefit any novasolan micronation in that sense that the criminal convictions of any micronationalist in any of the Novasolan micronations shall be registered and can be used by the police services, the prosecution services and also the immigration services.

To conclude, if so allowed, I hope to present a draft treaty in a few days. Ofcourse, any other participant wishing to present a draft, may do so. The best can only be derived from common effort.

greetiings,

Koen Nevens

I agree. Very well put, Mssr. Nevens, very well put. A warm greetings to our Allies the Republic of Anthelia!

Welcome to Alexandria! Another thing we should talk about is pertaining to the map, speaking with the MCS to grant us the rest of the land in the middle and we'll split it. We need to talk more about it though...

respectfully,

I don't know who's expected to participate in the conference: just the ruler or the citizens of the host country as well...
But allow me to say just this: I think both proposals are grand. And I believe that the Continental Registry of Criminal Convictions would be of reat help to all Novasolan micronations.

Sincerely,

I believe that the Heads of State and Government, along with their Ambassadors and Minister and or Secretaries of the fields to be disscussed.

In this case, the Ministers of Foreign Affairs, Interior, and perhaps the people in charge of the Judicial Branch.

Greetings,

I take my seat at this Conference alongside my colleague and compatriot Mr Nevens. To be brief, I endorse and second his opening remarks.

I would like to add to the Agenda two matters of importance:

1. Lavalon

The Republic of Lavalon, as it has been known, is the one micronation in Novasolum which has not been "included" in all we have done so far. This is because at the time of the earlier conference Lavalon was, seemingly, joining with Natopia in a multilateral union. That union was struck down by the courts in Lavalon, but too late for Lavalon to participate in the conference in its own name.

Now is the time when we, as good neighbours, should extend the hand of friendship to Lavalon. A special invitation should be sent to John Sager to ensure the attendance here of a Lavalonian delegation. Once they are at the table, we can invite them to sign the Novasolum Treaty and we can help them to progress out of their current difficulties.

2. Currency Trading

There are two matters of concern to me, as Finance Minister in Anthelia, when it comes to currency trading. The first is that the MX2 seems to create currency out of thin air whenever a cross-border transaction is made - I can give more details of this later. The second concern is that there are barriers to trade and commerce between Novasolum nations. It is not for us to dictate domestic finance policy to Gotzborg, but I would be interested in this conference issuing a communique or an actual Treaty to allow exchanges between all our currencies (and see also Article 8 paragraph (f) of the Treaty).

Final note: Could the moderator of this Forum please place a Sticky message at the top showing the list of matters that are on the Agenda? Thanks.

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John P Darcy
President
Republic of Anthelia

Friends from Anthelia,

First - forgive me for my delay to get here. I have been very busy with my gardens at Wesloderia, not to mention ruling the country... :P ;) :D

I wish to welcome all of the delegates from the Novasolum countries. Whenever we take a break from the discussions and such, I invite each and everyone of you to join me in a tour of the capital and maybe even a nice trip to Asuncion or Puerto Nuevo - they have great beaches there.

Monsieur Nevens, welcome to Alexandria. Your proposal of a Continental Registry of Criminal Convictions is a wonderful idea indeed, and I am strongly in favor of cooperating fully in such matters with the rest of the Novasolum countries. In the future, I would personally like to see the creation of a possible "Interpol" for Novasolum.

President Darcy, welcome to Alexandria. I am definetely in favor of intergrating Lavalon into the Novasolum Treaty. I agree with your views on Novasolum economics, and I would like to propose the establishment of a Free Trade Area in Novasolum.

Hmmm - and where exactly is the agenda for this? Well, I'll give moderator status to the Head Delegates of each country represented here, how about that?

thats bold of you, your Imperial Majesty, Thank you. I agree with President Darcy of Anthelia, and i do of course propose the creation of NovaPol.

Also, In Anthelia President Darcy had mentioned talks with the MCS to grant us Nova Solum natons the rest of the land in Nova Solum and we would rightfully split it. To Build up on this proposal which i fully support. We should divide it between active Nova Solum nations. This of course doesnt mean that other nations that arent that active wont get any land, but they wont simply get as much as the other active nations will. I need everyones consent on this though, before i do anything.

What do we think on this guys?

respectfully,

Representing the Royal Kingdom of Gotzborg, I am here to as well take my seat and join in the conversation.

I will keep my own remarks short.

I anjoy being a part of the continent of Novasolum. To date, and since its colonization (with exception of the pre-history of the area) it has been both stable and beneficial. Between Natopia, Anthelia, Gotzborg, former Rio Grande and Alexandria, there has been little turnover of nations, which I think lends itself well to more appreciable inter-micronational cultural ties.

There have already been a good amount of ideas bantied about, and I look forward to discussing them.

In relation to the informal agenda being set

- Criminal Information Sharing

I am in agreement with looking into this possibility more, it is necessary I feel given the prevalence of some of the issues which have occurred recently in other nations around the world.

- Lavalon

I always forget Lavalon, what with their turmoil I wonder whether there is benefit, however I do feel it is necessary an invite be extended anyhow.

- Currency Trading

This is of critical importance to me. This I find is the basis for the beginning of a level of interaction between our nations beyond what we do normally......which is talk. KR Shipyards branch in Natopia recently completed a personal yacht for the Emperor, and KRS finally received its first MX2 payment from that work. Very refreshing. While KRS as an example is providing ships to both Stormark and Babkha currently, it is being done so on what you could consider 'credit' until such time as they are able to catch up monetarily.

In regards to the financial position of Gotzborg, I can only claim that I am not an economist and as such cannot properlly explain the insides of the whole policy, even though I support it.

I would like to discuss the issue at some point of coming up with some 'best practises' or standards which nations can use in order that we avoid the potential of our currencies being so far out of wack as to preclude us from conducting business.

Gotzborg has a great desire to conduct business with Anthelia and Alexandria, however are unable to do so at this point because of our monetary policy and political issues respectively. I would encourage each nation involved here to make it a priority to get the economic portion on track. In lieu of that however, we should still proceed with the conduct of business, we can worry about the money later.

So, looking back now, so much for short comments.

Thank you to our host Cousin Edgard and Prince Enrique and Alexandria, you have both been swell chaps and worthy of regard. Compliments to President Darcy and Minister Nevens of Anthelia, without you two gentlemen, the majority of the efforts and successes made in Novasolum and economically have been initiated by you.

I hope to see Emperor Nathan here soon.

Sincerely,

I would like to be the first from Alexandria: to welcome our brothers from Gotzborg. WELCOME. tO briefly introduce myself: i am the Alexandrian prime Minister, Matthieu Poiters.

PM.Poiters. Serving Alexandria.

Greetings Mr Prime Minister. Thank you for your welcome and introduction. Congrats on your election btw, its nice to see an active and participatory PM!

Indeed! The Alexandrian Conservative Party took home the 'win' woot! lol Returning to the subject here,

His Royal Majesty might find it awesome that Alexandria is planning on registering an account in MX2 it would be benefitial to our Continent to do the same, everyone should do it!

respectfully,

Hello all!

Thank you inviting Natopia to this convention. I do hope we can further develop our beloved continent. I'd like to offer some comments on some topics presented:

Lavalon
While it may not be well known, after Lavalon broke away from Natopia, there was lingering animosity between the two nations. However, relations, i should say, have cooled since then. We have no treaty with them, nor do i envision one in the near future. I extended my personal well-wishes to them after they ousted Xon and Aryez for their coup. But I digress, I would not be against Lavalon joining in the Treaty. But that leads me to the next point.

NovaPol (great name!)
The first persons to be listed as criminals should be Aryez and Xon due to their continued provocation of poor Lavalon and their ceaseless coups there. However, I do think Lavalon will be the final authority for whether or not it submits their names to the NovaPol list.

Aryez and Xon would certainly be listed if

( a ) they were convicted by a court in Lavalon, and

( b ) Lavalon was a party to the Registry, and

( c ) the scope of the Registry included the said convictions.

Clearly, the Registry would need a set of rules and guidelines and some form of administration. Part of the guidelines would include the recognition of courts and judgements, although I believe this is already covered under the Novasolum Treaty.

What I am trying to say is that it won't be a matter of simply listing every person who says "boo" in one of our nations. I mean, Austi Scot has already done enough for me to be very unhappy with him, but he has not been convicted of anything by a court ...

I believe that in the information about a criminal the IP or known IP's should be included, as people tend to have many names in micronationalism.

I have been working on a draft treaty, but i am afraid i will need some more time before i have something worth presenting.

In any case, I can give an overview of what I intend to include:

1. Establishment of Novapol (working name) as an intermicronational organisation, with legal personnality. Also, a headquarter micronation/city must be chosen. Preferences?

2. structure of Novapol, with a Ministerial Committee (all ministers of Justice) and a Director (appointed by the Committee) for day-to-day operations, especially the setting-up and operating of the database

3. The database

a. content: first of all, a crucial option to be taken: only criminal convictions or also criminal investigations information?
in any case name, surname, ip-adres, micronationality, crime, modus operandi shall be included

b. access: only competent national authorities shall be allowed to input data and only they may use the database

c. privacy: some clauses on privacy protection and the further handling of data must unavoidably be included

now, now... First of all. If we're creating NovaPol we must all promise to work it out, I dont want another YAMO here L) <-- other than that its fine. (I prefer either Alexandria or Gotzborg for it since we love the Military... tisk tisk)

Other than that... well i have no problems wit trying Xon and Aryez. I support it fully. ;)

respectfully,

I can offer the old Confederacy fora, I have the Admin account and can grant admin access for those with enough authority to obtain it.

If my offer is to be declined, then I would support Anthelia and/or Gotzborg too.

In the end, a forum for the organisation is the least of things, although i would personally rule out ezboard (sorry Gotzborg)

the more important issue will be the creation of a database, which should be put online, with login codes for the national authorities.

Ofcourse, the implementation comes after the signing of the treaty, but it might be wise to keep that in mind, especially when choosing a director for the organisation.

well, yeah thats true. Due to the Ezboard crash? Well, anyways, Alexandria is willing to house the Headquarters of NovaPol.

respectfully,

No worries here, some people like ezboard, some people don't, trying to convince people who don't is counter-productive.

However, whether or not anyone likes ezboard is irrelevant at the end of the day to ensuring that Gotzborg is included as an equal member. Since the inception of the Novasolum talks, and then the Transport talks and now this round, Gotzborg has not been a host to any. The two way street here is that I have to spend more time logging in all over the place to manage goings on and do so with little complaint. There is no reason for anyone else to do so in Gotzborg.

So let's be fair here, like or dislike of ezboard is irrelevant at the end of the day, its the home of the forums of Gotzborg and we are an equal partner in Novasolum and agreements emanating or in relation to that.

I would however in this case of a NovaPol recommend that Gotzborg does become home to NovaPol not least because of the state of our police service, which is set up and operating. Our Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner are undoubtedly the most experienced police and intelligence officials in the sector. Both of the members of our Police are active on a daily basis and able to provide the leadership and direction that would be required here (so that it doesn't become a YAMO as the Dauphin so eloquently stated earlier).

For the fears of another ezboard loss, I can also mention that our Police Commissioner has the means and ability to back up and ensure all important documents are copied and stored off-ez.

I hope you will consider my proposal and recommendation without bias to the home of the forums of Gotzborg.

Regards,

I echo August Charles' comments. Gotzborg has not seen any of the benefits of the Nova Solum partnership to date and, as such, should be considered the top candidate for hosting NovaPol, regardless of which forum medium we use. Any forum can crash and information can be lost by indiscriminant archiving practices whether it be Ezboard, phpBB, etc. Keep in mind that the free phpBBs are hosted on a network just like Ezboard, and the only problem with the Ezboard forums is that they're on a network which can easily be attacked - the same problem lies in the free phpBB services. Furthermore, privately hosted forums are just as susceptible to crashing and going offline without possible recovery; perhaps even moreso than Ezboard type services.

Also, HRM is also correct in that Gotzborg's police services consist of two of the more experienced security personnel in this sector. I am the General of Police (Commissioner) and I've been involved in the micronational security field since I entered micronationalism in 2001. I've conducted many intelligence/security missions and have a great number of security-related resources which is unmatched by what I've seen in Anthelia and Alexandria. Deputy Commissioner Benjamin Gray, while not in the hobby as long as I, has proven very effective in the intelligence/security field as well.

Bottom line is that Gotzborg is the best qualified Nova Solum member to host NovaPol.

Well, I believe that both Gotzborg's delegates have a point, they seem to have the most active law enforcement agency continiously working in Novasolum.

I have no objection to the HQ of NovaPol being situated in Gotzborg. The arguments in favour are sound, and provided there is a backup plan in place then there should be no fear of EzBoard.

First of all, I concur with my president that Gotzborg would make a fine headquarters nation.

It also seems that they indeed might be the micronation with the best candidates for the position of director.

Nonetheless, I would like to add that Anthelia in no way feels inferior to Gotzborg when it comes to criminal (procedure) legislation. I invite you all to take a look to:

- the National Police Office (NPO) Act, which deals with administrative policing
- the Criminal Investigations Act, which deals with criminal policing and investigations
- The Criminal Code Act, which lists many criminal offences in Anthelia.

Only words, one might argue, but the Commissionner of the NPO, Neil Spall, has also shown to be a competent and trustworthy police officer, working within the framework set by the legislative power.

Anyhow, all this is, is not really relevant. The thing is, that purely administratively speaking, we need to find:

a headquarter, for which Alexandria and Gotzborg have sollicited; the latter seems to win on points at this time

a director: Gotzborg is moving forward mr. Sinclair and mr. Gray, so it seems. Now, let's not forget that Novapol will not be a proactive intelligence service or a "supernational" police force. The director will mainly have to maintain a database. Not really an adventurous function perhaps...I would personally like to find a person with computer skills (for creating the database, putting it online, ...)

The question is: will we reward one nation with both "prizes"?

Gotzborg claims to be the only micronation not having received any benefit from the Novasolan movement.

I ask, which headquarters or director is any other Novasolan nation hosting or delivering within the framework of our cooperation?

None, because there is no novasolan organisation as of yet.

The conclusion is that none of us has of yet, received any true benefit. Organising a conference can hardly be considered a benefit, it is more a commitment, and I am sure that Gotzborg will, in time, take up that commitment and host the next conference.

ohh... yeah. I have no problems with the HQ's being in Gotzborg. I was just wondering why Mssr. Nevens ruled out Gotzborg. Like, or dislike Ezboard, we should all be fair here.

I have absolutely no objections, and actually support the idea of having NovaPol headquarters in Gotzborg. I personally think its safe. ;) (Yes, to all my fellow Gotzborgers i do compliment you and your Forums)

Wait... wait... I can do the Database, but thats not the reason why i quoted that...(Silly me.. B) ) Why not Intelligence? Personally, I am sorry for Mr. Gray, but I think that my good friend Liam would do an excellent job at this. (Not that i have anything against you, Graius, cause you do crack me up all the time ;) )

So, again, why not Intelligence?

respectfully,

I think it's important that NovaPol not be an intelligence gathering organization; this area is best left to the devices of each member nation's individual intelligence agency (nations prefer not to have other nations looking in on such operations from my experience, for obvious reasons).

What NovaPol should do is, for each person added to the database, be able to request from each member nation whatever intelligence they have on that person. That intelligence, if available, can then be added to the database to produce a more accurate "micronational profile" of the convict. That profile would then act as an intelligence source on the convict for national police services if they suspect the person is operating in their micronation (for example, in identifying potential double logons, I only use IP addresses to provide a ball park possibility of that logon belonging to a person of interest. I then observe the personality of the double logon and compare it to the historically developed personality of the suspect).

Having a database of such profile information to allow for a faster identification of a possible threat to national security should be the cornerstone of NovaPol. However, as I alluded to, such profile information would only be given by national agencies (intelligence, security, or otherwise) to NovaPol if the person was added to the database.

I believe that it doesn't have to be a one-person-on-top organization, it can be directed by a comitee, but in any case, I would propose Mr. Warren from Anthelia, Mr. Gray from Gotzborg, and Mr. Poiters from Alexandria.

Mr. Sinclair, would you be so kind to log on, please.

On the issue of 'organization'

My proposal does foresee that a Ministerial Comittee (ministers of justice) holds major powers within the Novapol organization.

But day-to-day policy execution and functioning will require the appointment of a director.

One could say that more than one person is needed to run Novapol, but let's be honest: active micronationalists are thinly spread. We can't man Novapol with 5 men or more.

On the issue of 'intelligence'

As i have said in an earlier post, it is a crucial point to know whether only the information on criminal convinctions will be processed or whether information from criminal investigations, I mean those who do not lead to a criminal conviction, will also be included in the database.

Clearly, the second option would allow better profiling, but such a database cannot be considering a registry of criminal convictions, the database would then truly take the measure of a joint police database.

great, and thanks Liam for clearing that up for me ;) . Alright, it seems that we're a little divided on where we want the Headquarters to be. I for one, think that Gotzborg should be the headquarters.

Lets take a vote one this issue then... We should also design the uniforms of the NovaPol. I think I'll like this part, and yes, i dont have a problem with it being a database, i jus thought that an Intellience agency would work also for some reason.

A Vote then?

I would prefer Deputy Commissioner Gray represent Gotzborg given that my main focus, as General of the Royal Security Police Service, is in the interests of the Royal Kingdom, not of NovaPol. Then, if Deputy Commissioner Gray wishes to add information to the database, he'll be able to pass it by me for a second opinion before submitting it. If I were representing Gotzborg, where I'm the highest authority in our police force, I'd end up failing to seek a second opinion on information being added from Gotzborg's national data collection (always better to have the highest authority in each micronation's police forces to serve as sober second thought with respect to his/her micronation's information being disseminated to other micronations, in other words).

Also, the database needs to be accessible only to those with the proper authority (each member micronation's police force's authorized members - representatives and chiefs basically - as well as ministers of justice where possible). If we have such a database open to public viewing, there could be macronational legal consequences as we're profiling people.

Well if you were Director for example, then you would still be required to report (in the NovaPol cpacity) to the mangement or steering group like Mr Nevens suggested, would you not?

I really dont have any problems... either Mr. Gray or Mr. Liam can lead this. I know they can. Who has more experience though?

I think we should all elect someone - dont you think?

respectfully, :riograndecowboy:

August Charles,

What I mean is that at the national level, i.e. in Gotzborg, it would be best for the General of Police to not be directly involved with NovaPol. That way the General of Police, in approving Gotzborg data being added to the system, can provide sober second thought. For example. Mr. Gray would propose the addition of a set of IP information to the database. As it is Gotzborg national security information, the General of Police would have to approve it being transmitted to NovaPol. If Mr. Gray was also General of Police, there would be no higher power in the police heirarchy to provide further considerations over the nature of the data being transmitted (i.e. is it really in Gotzborg's best interests to transmit that data? If the General of Police was also the Director of NovaPol, he'd be more concerned about NovaPol's best interests...at the best, he'd be in conflict of interest - hence why I feel it important that a subordinate to Gotzborg's General of Police hold the directorship when chosen).

I agree with the IP thing. We should maintain a database of that. All, the people that the Nova Solum nations have banned should be listed there first. ;)

What are your opinions on this?

respectfully,

before deciding on who will be director and how the uniforms will look like, I suggest we discuss the following draft text. It's not complete, but it's a good base to debate, I suppose

I applaud this, Mssr. Nevens. I think its rather good! ;) Nice work!

respectfully,

If my opinion counts, I support this proposal, and found nothing to else to include.

I get you now General. Thank you.

In regards to Mr Nevens post, I am in agreement with that as well at this point, however will defer to my Ministers for final look-over and approval.

everyone in Nova Solum should definately approve of this! :D

respectfully,

added some provisions, almost finished...